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By: Full Time Trader - Revisited | My Adventures into The Street

Full Time Trader - Revisited | My Adventures into The Street — Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:10:47 +0000

[...] Christmas I had the bright idea of quickly calculating how much it would take to go from a typical 9 to 5 job to trading full time. [...]

By: Jorge

Jorge — Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:06:57 +0000

Oh yeah, it was a very simple scenario. It’s a starting point, but I agree, it’s grossly conservative. I’m actually working on an excel sheet this morning on the subject. It’s been a long week with the holidays and some wedding plans that I really couldn’t procrastinate on! I’ll have a new post up in a bit with some more realistic numbers taking into account the max capital gains tax (35% for short term holdings) plus 100% monthly expenses (i.e. living paycheck to paycheck). The percentage of income needed each month can be adjusted but I’d prefer to leave some portions of the spreadsheet conservative in the event of an emergency or whatnot, although folks should have an emergency fund etc.

By: Dave

Dave — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:14:30 +0000

I doubt most traders have the amount of money (using a ratio to their income needs) you initially estimated as being required. That amount of money sounded more like investing and living off the investments where the money just sits earning money verses actively buying and selling to make money on the ups and downs of the market. Another thing to consider is taxes. If you are buying and selling on a regular basis (meaning you are not holding the stocks for at least a year) your taxes on gains will be higher then if you held the stocks for at least a year, which would then allow you to use capital gains tax rates.

By: Jorge

Jorge — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:49:15 +0000

Actually you’re right. I ran those numbers with very simple calculations. Using excel, I ran a slightly more complicated, and more realistic scenario, with monthly compounding instead of a simple end of year scenario. Just as you said, if you’re serious, you need to improve your discipline now. The money required isn’t as great as I initially thought, even with a modest 5-10% ROR per month. I think the worst part of attempting to trade full time isn’t necessarily the markets or the amount of capital, but the future wife… hah!

By: Franklin

Franklin — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:25:10 +0000

Admirable intentions, and at the risk of sounding cliched, I’d say that it’s not as hard as you fear, and not as easy as you hope. Realistically speaking, best way to go about trying to become a full time trader would be to start trading seriously right now. Continue your career, and build up your investments. Conservatively speaking, if everything goes right, you should be able to quit your job in 3-5 years.